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		<title>By: Chris Child</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dad,

I agree with your conclusion -- everyone is going to weigh things differently if you attempt to break down life&#039;s work into quantifiable bits. 

The most important thing is that everyone feels respected and appreciated for the work that they contribute. 

A literal 50/50 view of fairness would be difficult to put into practice, but I understand why some people aim for this goal. Anyone that has been burned in the past -- perhaps from bad relationships -- will be more sensitive to fairness. 

Thanks for your insightful thoughts,

- Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dad,</p>
<p>I agree with your conclusion &#8212; everyone is going to weigh things differently if you attempt to break down life&#8217;s work into quantifiable bits. </p>
<p>The most important thing is that everyone feels respected and appreciated for the work that they contribute. </p>
<p>A literal 50/50 view of fairness would be difficult to put into practice, but I understand why some people aim for this goal. Anyone that has been burned in the past &#8212; perhaps from bad relationships &#8212; will be more sensitive to fairness. </p>
<p>Thanks for your insightful thoughts,</p>
<p>- Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Ishibashi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Ishibashi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finding a balance of fairness in any relationship can be tough. One prerequisite is that all parties need to be able to empathize. 

People&#039;s capacity for empathy can differ dramatically. Some people seem to unconsciously place themselves in other people&#039;s shoes every time they make a decision that could effect those around them -- these are typically very fair people. 

Others, like psychopaths, have the ability to intellectualize what anther&#039;s experience would be like, but don&#039;t actually feel any emotions from it. They can make highly unfair decisions to suit their personal needs and still sleep like a baby at night.

If you surround yourself with people that posses great empathy, you&#039;ll have a good chance at finding fairness in those relationship. 

Easier said than done :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finding a balance of fairness in any relationship can be tough. One prerequisite is that all parties need to be able to empathize. </p>
<p>People&#8217;s capacity for empathy can differ dramatically. Some people seem to unconsciously place themselves in other people&#8217;s shoes every time they make a decision that could effect those around them &#8212; these are typically very fair people. </p>
<p>Others, like psychopaths, have the ability to intellectualize what anther&#8217;s experience would be like, but don&#8217;t actually feel any emotions from it. They can make highly unfair decisions to suit their personal needs and still sleep like a baby at night.</p>
<p>If you surround yourself with people that posses great empathy, you&#8217;ll have a good chance at finding fairness in those relationship. </p>
<p>Easier said than done <img src='http://www.straightdopedad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fairness is difficult to achieve in any relationship. I remember living with my college roommates and we started off with all sorts of spoken agreements to equally divide the chores. After only a week, it was obvious that some people were not pulling their weight, and were simply not team players.

At work, it is exactly the same scenario. New hires will always go the extra mile, but once they settle in, their true colors, for better or worse, begin to show. 

During my evolutionary psychology class, my professor said that humans have always cheated to get out of doing chores. But some humans feel more guilt and shame than others. 

Shame is a powerful motivator, and I suspect that many individuals that are &#039;fair&#039; have a keen sense of how others view them. 

As for family relationships, the sense of fairness and fair treatment is a huge, huge issue going on for me right now. When you honestly believe that you are doing well beyond your share of the work, but others strongly believe otherwise, a lot of emotions can rise up! I&#039;m dealing with this problem right now, and I wonder if it&#039;s simply rooted in differing perspectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fairness is difficult to achieve in any relationship. I remember living with my college roommates and we started off with all sorts of spoken agreements to equally divide the chores. After only a week, it was obvious that some people were not pulling their weight, and were simply not team players.</p>
<p>At work, it is exactly the same scenario. New hires will always go the extra mile, but once they settle in, their true colors, for better or worse, begin to show. </p>
<p>During my evolutionary psychology class, my professor said that humans have always cheated to get out of doing chores. But some humans feel more guilt and shame than others. </p>
<p>Shame is a powerful motivator, and I suspect that many individuals that are &#8216;fair&#8217; have a keen sense of how others view them. </p>
<p>As for family relationships, the sense of fairness and fair treatment is a huge, huge issue going on for me right now. When you honestly believe that you are doing well beyond your share of the work, but others strongly believe otherwise, a lot of emotions can rise up! I&#8217;m dealing with this problem right now, and I wonder if it&#8217;s simply rooted in differing perspectives.</p>
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		<title>By: Straight Dope Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Straight Dope Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True that!</p>
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		<title>By: Straight Dope Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Straight Dope Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you tell them exactly that &quot;that sometimes one person needs one thing that is different than the other&quot;. They&#039;re too young to understand it completely, especially the two year old, but through repetition and increasing age, they will internalize that philosophy which will be one little step towards making them well rounded human beings. To each according to his/her needs and from each according to his/her ability is a beautiful (and realistic) way to view the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you tell them exactly that &#8220;that sometimes one person needs one thing that is different than the other&#8221;. They&#8217;re too young to understand it completely, especially the two year old, but through repetition and increasing age, they will internalize that philosophy which will be one little step towards making them well rounded human beings. To each according to his/her needs and from each according to his/her ability is a beautiful (and realistic) way to view the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl 'Cleaner' Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl 'Cleaner' Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I have a question - how would you apply such a theory on fairness if you had two children?  Currently I have two kids - one buy (age 4) and one girl (age 2).  Their concept of fairness is much different than mine - they would almost rather have the exact same desert as their sibling instead of the desert they prefer more.

That same concept transfers over into everything - picking up toys, going to bed, etc...but obviously things aren&#039;t always going to be 50/50 because that doesn&#039;t work.  So how do you teach them that sometimes one person needs one thing that is different than the other, and that is still &#039;fair&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I have a question &#8211; how would you apply such a theory on fairness if you had two children?  Currently I have two kids &#8211; one buy (age 4) and one girl (age 2).  Their concept of fairness is much different than mine &#8211; they would almost rather have the exact same desert as their sibling instead of the desert they prefer more.</p>
<p>That same concept transfers over into everything &#8211; picking up toys, going to bed, etc&#8230;but obviously things aren&#8217;t always going to be 50/50 because that doesn&#8217;t work.  So how do you teach them that sometimes one person needs one thing that is different than the other, and that is still &#8216;fair&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is so irritating when people don&#039;t understand this...

My mother, for example, has done nothing but complain about the state of my last 3 relationships because of this. The current one, as well as the one before last, her complaint is that I do almost all of the cooking and cleaning. No matter how many times I explain to her that this is fair (because I don&#039;t work and therefore don&#039;t pay rent, and I like my kitchen a certain way goddamnit) she just can&#039;t wrap her head around the concept that fair does not always mean 50/50.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so irritating when people don&#8217;t understand this&#8230;</p>
<p>My mother, for example, has done nothing but complain about the state of my last 3 relationships because of this. The current one, as well as the one before last, her complaint is that I do almost all of the cooking and cleaning. No matter how many times I explain to her that this is fair (because I don&#8217;t work and therefore don&#8217;t pay rent, and I like my kitchen a certain way goddamnit) she just can&#8217;t wrap her head around the concept that fair does not always mean 50/50.</p>
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		<title>By: Straight Dope Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Straight Dope Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice solution.I&#039;m clueless about cleaning as well. I just can&#039;t tell that something&#039;s dirty unless it&#039;s REALLY dirty. Same with trash and recycling. It needs to be over flowing before I notice. If I can shove one more container or piece of trash in I will. Same with disorder. I have an extremely high tolerance for chaos. My partner is the direct opposite on all accounts. One method she uses is putting the trash and recycling by the door. If I see it there I know it&#039;s time to take it out and I do without giving it a second thought. When it comes to cleaning and chores I need crystal clear directions. Badgering or general pleas for help won&#039;t work - just tell me exactly what you need me to do and I&#039;ll do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice solution.I&#8217;m clueless about cleaning as well. I just can&#8217;t tell that something&#8217;s dirty unless it&#8217;s REALLY dirty. Same with trash and recycling. It needs to be over flowing before I notice. If I can shove one more container or piece of trash in I will. Same with disorder. I have an extremely high tolerance for chaos. My partner is the direct opposite on all accounts. One method she uses is putting the trash and recycling by the door. If I see it there I know it&#8217;s time to take it out and I do without giving it a second thought. When it comes to cleaning and chores I need crystal clear directions. Badgering or general pleas for help won&#8217;t work &#8211; just tell me exactly what you need me to do and I&#8217;ll do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you bring up an excellent point.  The responsibilities in my marriage are very unequal.  My wife and I both work, but she supported me all through my graduate program.  Now that I&#039;m able to pay for things again, I&#039;m trying to do so as much as I can.

As far as house chores go, my wife learned early in our relationship that I rarely will think of things to do.  I will vacuum and dust, but only if the floor is noticeably dirty.  She also learned that I don&#039;t mind doing the work if she asks me to do so.  If she leaves me a list of chores, she knows that I will do them without complaint.  Without really talking about it, we&#039;ve managed to come to an understanding about housework and taking care of our infant daughter.
.-= Justin´s lastest blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/AdventuresInFirst-timeParenting/~3/rzF24ze37a8/post-partum-parting.html&quot;&gt;Post-Partum Parting&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you bring up an excellent point.  The responsibilities in my marriage are very unequal.  My wife and I both work, but she supported me all through my graduate program.  Now that I&#8217;m able to pay for things again, I&#8217;m trying to do so as much as I can.</p>
<p>As far as house chores go, my wife learned early in our relationship that I rarely will think of things to do.  I will vacuum and dust, but only if the floor is noticeably dirty.  She also learned that I don&#8217;t mind doing the work if she asks me to do so.  If she leaves me a list of chores, she knows that I will do them without complaint.  Without really talking about it, we&#8217;ve managed to come to an understanding about housework and taking care of our infant daughter.<br />
.-= Justin´s lastest blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/AdventuresInFirst-timeParenting/~3/rzF24ze37a8/post-partum-parting.html">Post-Partum Parting</a> =-.</p>
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